Mindset - The First Order of Healing
Episode 91: Gutsy Health Podcast
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Show Summary: “When you do the work, and you don't bypass your mindset, your life shifts for the better and you start to channel your inner power”
The Master Your Subconscious Workshop has finally wrapped up. Twenty women learned to channel their inner power and discovered that they could do amazing things and effortlessly heal. The workshop taught them how important mindset is in healing that helped them shift their energy and frequency.
Working on your mindset can be challenging if you do it alone. But it can be easier if you work on it from the inside out instead of outside in. And in this episode, Dr. Elizabeth Rogers, a master healer, and expert in custom holistic health services, shares some simple exercises you can consistently do every day to start manifesting powerful energy and regain control of your life.
Please share this with your family and friends who need emotional healing and gradually discover the higher version of you. And if you want to be a part of The Master Your Subconscious Workshop, watch Juanique's Instagram for an update on the class.
Exceptional Highlight:
- We are emotional beings and we can't keep bypassing that.
- The old version of you kept you alive, so thank her/him and let them go.
- You have to learn how to love yourself. If you fill your love cup, then you can graciously fill other people's love cup. Asking others to fill your cup without you filling it is transactional love, selfish love.
Show Highlights:
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers’ story
Dr. Elizabeth 3:01
- I lived on the receiving end of what mainstream medicine can do to you when you become chronically ill. Fifteen years ago, I ended up getting rushed to the hospital in the morning while I was getting ready for class because I collapsed on my bathroom floor. I was admitted to the hospital because of kidney stones. My surgeon said, "We're gonna blast out your stones." So I had surgery, and ten days later, I was in the hospital, declining, and no one could figure out why.
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How perception can shift your energy?
Juanique 14:09
- You know that feeling when you fall in love with someone, and you're energized? You're so inspired, and you feel like you're floating on clouds. It's not because of that person. It's because of your perception of that person. That was all your energy shifting, and you shifted that energy because of your perception.
How can you shift your energy?
Dr. Elizabeth 19:59
- Ask yourself these questions:
- Who would I be if I had blank?
- What would I do if I already had blank?
- Then the last question is, how would I feel if I already had blank?
You fill in the blank with what feels right to you.
Books mentioned:
Untethered soul
Biology of Belief
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Transcript (DOWNLOAD)
This is the Gutsy Health Podcast with Juanique and Tristin Roney.
Juanique Roney
Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Gutsy Health Podcast, I have my co-host, Gina Worful with me. Hi, Gina.
Gina Worful
Hey, everybody.
Juanique Roney
And we also have Dr. Elizabeth Rogers, who is our guest today, but before I introduce her or she's going to actually introduce herself and give her story, what I want to share with everyone is we are wrapping up the The Master your subconscious workshop this weekend or when you guys listen to this, it would already have been wrapped up. But you guys, I want to express to you how spiritual and amazing and like mind shifting the past three weeks have been for these 20 ladies that have enrolled and have done it. And it has been one of the most incredible, incredible experiences that I've been able to be a part of. And the reason why is because if everyone who's listening here, you've probably heard me talk about the order of healing and mindset is number one. And everybody loves to jump number one and go to number two, three, four or five and six. We all want the protocols. We all want the cerebral stuff. Give me the supplements, give me the protocols, give me the food. And everybody bypasses mindset because we don't want to do the work. We're scared of the work we're scared of, like facing our inner demons.
And you guys, I just want to share with you, because this is a perfect transition into what we're going to be talking about with Dr. Rogers today. I want to share with you that when we do the work and we don't bypass mindset, your life literally shifts and it's just for the better. And you start to channel your inner power and watching 20 women channel their inner power and step into their power and start learning that they are capable of amazing things and that healing is actually effortless if they just do some of the work.
Gina Worful
You shift from the core, from the inside.
Juanique Roney
You shift from the core, from the inside. Yes, Gina. Energetically everything is a vibrational frequency. It's like Einstein's equation E equals MC squared. That literally means energy equals matter at the speed of light. Matter is just energy. We are just these energetic beings and we have these frequencies. And when we shift our energy and we shift our frequency our matter, changes our bodies, change our chemistry changes.
And so seeing these massive shifts in these women has been unbelievable. And the reason why I keep saying that is because I want everyone to understand just how important step one is. And with that, Dr. Elizabeth Rogers, it was amazing. She reached out to me a couple of months ago. And when she told me what she was about and her story, I had to have her on the podcast. And so, Dr. Rogers, welcome. Please tell listeners who you are, why you're here and what we're going to be talking about today?
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
Thank you so, so much. Oh, my goodness. Can I just say, listening to you to talk about this and the insurgents, it's making it hard for me not to get choked up because this is such a missing piece of the healing journey that we do not talk about at all, you know, mainstream medicine, because mainstream medicine has actually disconnected mental and physical health, let alone even considering that side. And I talk about this equation all the time, but I will get back to you just relighting my soul on fire.
I'm just so honored to be here. Ladies, this is just you are bringing to light. I can't even tell you what a breath of fresh air it is to hear you talk like this. You are bringing to light something that I think there's been a shadow over there forever.
Juanique Roney
Maybe.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
Anyways, to introduce myself to you all. I'm so thrilled to be here. My name's Dr. Elizabeth Rogers. I'm a classically trained doctor and epidemiologist, believe it or not, who has turned expert, holistic healer, medical intuitive and health coach. So really big shift, right?
Juanique Roney
Huge.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
Yeah. I'm a graduate of the Disparities Leadership Program at Harvard Medical School and Massachusetts General Hospital. So really focusing on the gaps in health care is a serious passion of mine. I got my bachelor's in psychology, my master's in public health and epidemiology, and my doctorate is in epidemiology. And I focused on my doctoral work on becoming an expert in chronic illness and healthy aging because I really believed that we should be looking at that from a bigger, broader angle, because just because you're chronically ill doesn't mean you can't shift.
Juanique Roney
Right.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
Just like our mindset.
Juanique Roney
Yes.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
But, you know, after serving as a chronic disease specialist and clinical researcher in traditional medicine for over a decade, I started my own practice, Healthy Transformation's with HeartWare. Now I combine the very best of Western medicine and science with the natural, energetic and spiritual components that cultivate true what I consider true deep, lasting health and wellness. And I'll tell you, ladies, I'll share this briefly because my story is so important to me.
You know, I'm not just somebody that got educated and had an aha moment and made a shift. I literally lived on the receiving end of what mainstream medecine can really do to you when you become chronically ill. So I'll tell you quickly, about 15 years ago, coming up this September, I was working on my Masters and end up being rushed to the hospital in the morning while I was getting ready for class because I collapsed on my bathroom floor.
Juanique Roney
Well.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
I was admitted to the hospital because I kidney stones. Not a big deal. Right? Even though I was young and a rare case because I was a young woman, and they tend to happen in older adult men. I got admitted. I was told by the surgeon, we're going to bust out your stones on Saturday. You're going to be feeling like a million bucks in a few hours and within 72 hours. And you're going to coast off into the sunset. So great, right? Except that I had surgery and 10 days later I was in the hospital declining and no one could figure out why. Thanks to my parents who had to file a grievance with the hospital, I got another surgeon who was put on my case. And by the time he got to me, I was literally six to eight hours within my own from dying while waiting internally in surgery. And no one, including the surgeon that did this to me, bothered to tell me about it.
Juanique Roney
Oh, my gosh.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
The surgeon was actually much more concerned with his golf game because I vividly remember before I closed my eyes and went out before that surgery, him saying to me, I just want you to know how lucky you are because you're making me late for my tee time today.
Juanique Roney
What?
Gina Worful
Wow.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
This ladies is the mindset of where a lot of mainstream medicine is coming. They have been given a complex that I think we shift and change speaking of mindset. Right. So I will tell you all I was told, I literally said goodbye to my family. I was told that it was a one in a million shot, that I was going to make it out of this alive. But as you all can see, sitting here talking to you and ladies, I will tell you that I have only survived for one purpose and one purpose and alone. And that is because I came into this lifetime on planet Earth this time around to help others heal. And I will take every I spend every last breath doing just that. But interesting, because you would have thought that was the end of my journey, but it was the beginning. So after that, I had to have over half a dozen life saving surgeries to repair the damage I had. I still have permanent damage and will really have to worry, as I think about now, trying to have children. But that was just the beginning. I started accumulating every chronic illness known to man, including mental and emotional things. So anxiety, depression, PTSD from that experience, hormonal imbalances, every gut issue known to man I was diagnosed with IBS, put on tons of medications.
Juanique Roney
Oh my gosh.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
Told that I had brain fog, fatigue, migraines, acne. I mean, I was a walking, talking chronic illness nightmare. And I went from specialist to specialist and everyone just said, you're just going to have to manage it. You're just going to have to manage it. And I was handed out prescription after prescription. And I have to tell you, as someone who was being trained to be a doctor, I found it upsetting that they weren't bothering to ask better questions. So when I was told that inflammatory bowel disease, I said to my doctor, why do I have inflammation? Inflammation is an effect, not a cause yet.
Juanique Roney
Yes.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
And they didn't like those questions. So I was told you just have to manage it. So I thought, OK, screw mainstream medicine. They're overlooking my root causes. I'm going to bounce out into the alternative health ring. So naturopaths, Ayurvedic meds, functional madox acupuncturists, chiropractors, you name it. And while they gave me more pieces of the puzzle and I got a little closer each time at the end of it all, I was left realizing that I still wasn't feeling like me. I knew that I wasn't healthy. I knew there was something missing. And what I wanted and what I'd been searching for all those years was a doctor who I just wanted someone to listen. I just want someone to care.
Juanique Roney
Yeah.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
I just wanted to feel like someone was going to give me the time to let me tell my whole story, because fifteen minutes isn't long enough for that.
Juanique Roney
No.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
I wanted to tell my whole story. I wanted somebody to help me put the pieces of my puzzle together to create a comprehensive plan to help me heal myself, because that's what I wanted to do. I never found that person, but I did eventually look in the mirror one day when I was at my very worst and realized that if I wasn't going to try, if not me, then who? I realized I had to do this, I had to move forward. And so now my passion is really applying my unique, intuitive, holistic approach to put the pieces of my client's health puzzle together, to connect the dots, create comprehensive plans and build customized healing regimes to finally free people from their chronic emotional and physical health issues. But I think, ladies, that for me, like you said, it's about mind, body, spirit. And it's interesting because I know what we're going to talk about today is what you highlighted right off the bat, is that for a very long time, we've had a very backwards approach. Right?
Juanique Roney
Yes.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
Because we're reaching out for all the strategies. Just tell me the diet, just tell me the thing, give me the skinny tea, whatever.
Juanique Roney
Yeah.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
Thing I can do in 30 days or whatever thing I can do. And I can go back to the way I was.
Juanique Roney
Give me the list of foods to cut out.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
And we're always reaching outside of ourselves.
Gina Worful
Yes. I love that you said that.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
And isn't it funny if you think about it? I feel like that's a backwards approach, working from the outside and not the inside out.
Juanique Roney
100 percent. Can we back up, though, because you're going from like, OK, when all these doctors didn't healed myself, what did you do? What was that missing piece? How did you figure out? Because I don't want to tell everyone the story. I want you to tell them a story. But what was it? What was the thing that shifted you and what did it look like?
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
The thing that shifted me, it was it was me. I had been that girl that I was reaching out for all the things I was that girl sitting online. I've definitely ordered Skinny tea that we're like, just do this. I wish back then I would have taken more pictures because it was pretty hilarious, but there came a point, and I'll tell you ladies, my approach at the time, you know, the way I built it to heal myself was not like this perfect, methodical way that I can deliver it now.
So I was putting my own pieces of the puzzle together. And I'm an epidemiologist, so I'm literally trained to identify the root causes of health issues. So I was doing that. I'd identify the physical root causes of my health issues. However, even though I was addressing them, I realized there was still something missing. And for me it was all about the other side of that equation E equals MC Square. We focus all on the material, the physical. But I realized if I wasn't going to shift my energetic health, that was you're literally missing an entire side of the equation we're totally overlooking at.
Juanique Roney
Yeah.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
So healing, really all healing, I don't think can occur unless you deal with both sides of the equation.
Juanique Roney
100 percent.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
But I think all three of us know that that's where the challenge lies. Right.
Juanique Roney
Exactly.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
I think the hardest thing for people to learn, accept and acknowledge is to be able to truly look in the mirror and look at yourself and realize that the answer is staring you in the face. It's you. Well, no pill, nothing can give it to you.
Juanique Roney
Well, and how many of us energetically and emotionally escape our bodies every single day? And we've actually we've self abandoned and we don't realize we've done that. And a lot of us, like we've abandoned our bodies since we were like 5, 6, 13, 14, you know, and he started criticizing like we never no one taught us how to address our emotional imbalances and our traumas. And so somehow we e motionally exited our bodies, became extremely cerebral and started attacking our bodies from the outside in. Right?
Gina Worful
And I tried doing the same with more nutrition information, more supplements, more knowledge. I must not have done the right lab test yet, or the right answers or something. And just going around in circles and circles, taking handfuls of supplements, ignoring the elephant in the room of like, oh, but what about my emotional health. If nothing healed for my body until I looked inward.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
You probably had really expensive urine though, Gina.
Gina Worful
All the supplements.
Juanique Roney
Yeah.
Gina Worful
Labs, all everything which can be an important part of doing your body. But at the same time, like, you can't just keep dodging yourself.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
You're so right. But I think both of you are making such good points, like, isn't it true? We've been I feel like we've been so trained to just shut that part of ourselves off, and not only that we need to deal with it or address it. And we've developed all these ways to cope with things in turn like cloud those parts of ourselves. We don't have to deal with it.
Juanique Roney
There's two books that come to mind and the first that comes to mind is called The Untethered Soul. Have you read that? It's so good. It's so good. He talk about in the first few chapters, like if we if our inner dialog was a roommate, how we would like that roommate would be so toxic and so like detrimental to your health, you would want to throw them out. And yet that's the dialog that we've had inside the all day, every day. And another thing that he mentions that I absolutely love is one he talks about that. But the second thing he talks about is, you know, that feeling when you fall in love with someone and you're energized and it's all of these things and it's like you're so inspired and you're like you feel like you're floating on clouds. It's not because of that person. It's because of your perception of that person. That was all your energy shifting. You shifted that energy because of your perception. Can you imagine if we shifted our perceptions in everyday living even in the mundane and we made the mundane magical and we trained our bodies to fall in love with even the smallest things with gratitude and all these things? This is literally energy that comes from us or not even energy. It's hormones and it's neurotransmitters. When you take a thought, it produces hormones and neurotransmitters. And that's everything that you are creating from an internal environment. And yet we do it externally. Right. And we think if it's the boyfriend has to do that for me, the school grades have to do that for me. My children have to do that for me. And that's actually not true. You can do it for yourself. And that's actually the healthiest, least codependent way of living your life. But we're not trained to do that. We don't listen to music that teaches us that. We don't watch movies that teach us to do that. Everything is this external outsourcing of your power. No wonder we are all these we're all empty vessels walking around, feeling empty all the time and looking for these codependent relationships to fill our love cups up. That's book number two. Can I keep going? The second book is Biology of Belief. Bruce Lipton.
Juanique Roney
One of my favorite.
Juanique Roney
And how are cellular like dNA literally changes just by our thoughts and our environments and our stressors. Right. We keep overlooking this and I want audience members to stop bypassing step number one, we can't do it anymore, right? We're just going to keep hemorrhaging our life force and hemorrhaging our money. Do we really want to do that or are we ready to stop and take ownership of our power and ownership of like and like step into who we were meant to be?
Gina Worful
Yeah, so Dr. Elizabeth, quick question, when you started doing that, did you kind of guide yourself into your own journey or do you have a mentor? Did you get help?
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
This is an excellent, excellent question. I'll tell you, ladies, I'm somebody I know that you both feel the same way without even asking, but I am a big believer in constant continuous growth and learning, so I will never believe that I'm done ever right in my last breath. So I encourage all of you to find yourself support from people like all of us who are out there getting themselves support, too, because we all have stuff to work on. None of us are get to a place where like, oh, we're done now. And that will just help everybody else.
Juanique Roney
We keep going.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
Yeah, and like you said, we have this mindset, and it shifts us. And then when you make that level of growth and another comes and then another, you know, but anyway, I just digress and feel like I got away from the question. But so for me, and especially on that energetic piece, I'd been trained by traditional and Western medicine. So I did not get any of that kind of support or education inside of the walls of that system. In fact, I was discouraged from seeking it out. I was actually told, oh, don't ever tell people that you're you're into energy or spiritual stuff. You know, that's going to be all that's going to turn people off. Of course, I didn't let that stop me. So I actually sought out a couple support from a couple of different types of people. At the time, I had begun involving my more intuitive gifts. So I got trained with a wonderful medical intuitive. Her name's Tina Zion. For anyone out there who's interested in this kind of work, she is the best, the most trustworthy, not a fraud. So she is now a very close friend of mine, too, and still a very close mentor. I work with her very closely over the years. I believe my skills can only continue to be developed. So that was step one for me. And then I also started training with holistic doctors. I took training courses in holistic nutrition, herbalism. I started shadowing people in diabetic doc for a walk a long time and I just started really diving in head first to just develop myself and be wide open to learning as much as I could and then a lot of that. And then that energy work really started to just become a natural affinity for me. So I really took a lot of time training and support that I still continue to get to this day.
Juanique Roney
Amazing. I love that for anyone that is listening here that they are trying to make the shift between being really cerebral and masculine about their human. I always call it the cerebral masculine and the body feminine. Right. And I always say, get out of your head and into your body. Right. So for people that are still really in their head in this masculine healing space, energetically masculine healing space, what are some things or what are some guidelines that you can give people to help them shift? What would the homework and like the to do? And what's the checklist? Because, again, they're coming at this from so cerebrally. So how do we get them to make that shift? How would you convince someone?
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
I love, love, love this question. I'm going to tell you the first thing. I actually do this with my clients and I think and I implement this every single day. I kid you not ever since I started doing this, because it will help you shift, because I think that's hard. Right. Like, how do we sit down and just say, like, OK, I'm going to shift my energy like, how and what do I do? Am I supposed to meditate? Am I supposed to like what do I do? So I'm going to share this really great journaling exercise. I love this so, so very much because it is like a literal, tangible thing you can do but you will absolutely if you implement. So I'll say important for this consistency and consistency, if you just do this once or once in a while and you're thinking all Dr. Rogers is full of it, then well I'm not.
Gina Worful
But you have to implement.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
So I think that's the other hard piece of mindset. Work, too, is it's on us.
Juanique Roney
Yeah.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
And it's not always easy to be accountable, but this goes along and back to that exercise of working from the inside out instead of the outside in. So I think that this is a really powerful exercise. But I would give you these journal prompts to do first and foremost is one, think about ask yourself the question, you can write this down. Who would I be if I had blank and you fill in the blank with what feels right to you. So if you're working on healing from multiple chronic diseases and what you're interested in is lasting health and wellness, then you could say, who would I be if I already had lasting health and wellness? Who would I be if I already had blank? Because what I'm trying to do is help you shift yourself into the mindset of it's already done, it's already habit, it's already here because that energy is going to help us and our body start to shift, because very cerebral. You ladies understand our brains want something to appease them, right?
Juanique Roney
Yes.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
So for us to make this shift, our subconscious brains, they don't know the difference between what's real and what's not. Just that's how it goes along with this whole philosophy of, you know, with what we think we create.
Juanique Roney
Right. Yeah.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
So when you start to get into the habit of repeating this, your subconscious brain starts to not know the difference between whether or not this is who you really are already or not. So the next question after would I be if I already had fill in the blank?
Juanique Roney
Yeah.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
What would I do if I already had blank? So how would I be. You'd probably have be someone with self integrity. You'd probably be really committed to your goals. What would you do? So that now comes in more of that action. So what would I do if I already had blank and you're going to fill in the blank with the exact same thing. So we'll use lasting health and wellness as the example. And then the last question is, how would I feel if I already had blank? So you're moving from like being to doing to having. And that is really the the pathway that we make that mindset shift start to happen. We have to get into that being state first rather than like I'm doing I'm doing I'm doing all the things, right?
Juanique Roney
Yes.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
So that's one of my favorite tips to give people. And I honestly have all my clients do this with me and it's really powerful. It really is. Even just taking I do it every morning for probably ten minutes and your answers can change, but you will start to manifest that reality than inside of your body in your mind.
Juanique Roney
I love that. Can I share an example of some things that also came up in the Master your Subconscious Workshop was, we teach in these subconscious hacks, and how to practice them every day and how we rewrite their lies into truth. So a belief system that they have about themself that's actually really harmful and toxic, but they think it's their truth. We rewrite it. And as they're having these shifts and you can actually see them physically change, like their face changes as we're rewriting it. You could even feel it, even though it's a Zoom group thing, a Zoom workshop. Everyone can just feel the energy shift. But another thing that I wanted to add to to this was a lot of us don't recognize that we have been brought up subconsciously to shame our emotions and our emotions are actually services like it's a flag that is telling you something is imbalanced. But what do we tell children when they're emotional? Be quiet, go to your room. Stop crying. That feeling is not valid. Shut it down. So subconsciously, what we've done is we've pushed down this energy in our body that actually was supposed to come out to tell us something for us or to work for us or to help us or to protect us. And so I want to give this example of in the workshop, the workshop is twenty people. And as I've been doing my own emotional work, what emotion kept coming up was rage. Rage kept coming up. And so I started talking to them about me processing my rage and rage is just suppressed anger and it's suppressed sadness right over the years. And so I spoke to them about rage the first week and then the second week I asked them how many of you felt rage and a few of them put up their hand. And I said, How many of you were super uncomfortable? The first week when I spoke about rage, almost everyone put up their hand. We are so afraid of emotions. And so we would rather bypass emotions and buy thousands of dollars of supplements and spent thousands of dollars sitting in consults with doctors telling us what to do then to actually feel the feels. The fact that people were terrified that I said I have rage. And then they actually started doing their work and they started feeling rage, too. It was amazing, and I have goosebumps thinking about it because we can't keep stuffing it down anymore. We can't we can't keep bypassing that. We are these emotional beings. And it was actually really funny because someone one of the members in the workshop, one of her life that she wanted to report on was that she has big emotions. And I said, what if the truth is I honor my emotions and I'm grateful that they are here to teach me something about my life.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
Oh, I love it.
Juanique Roney
She actually wanted to take that story and be like, I'm not emotional and I am calm and collected, and I said, no, we are all emotional being emotional, we are emotional and we are allowed to feel human. And so so that's what I wanted to share with people, is like as you are embarking on this healing journey, we need to embrace this part of us. We need to invite it if you are trying to but you're bypassing this work, you are not going to heal, you're going to do the ups and the downs and you're going to be on the medical merry go round and you're going to find that you're more and more frustrated and you're more and more anxious. And that anxiety is an emotion because it's telling you you're on the wrong track.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
Oh, my gosh. And you just brought to my mind a couple of things. You when you said, you know, we stopped that energy down, I just thought this visual and I thought, you know, I talk with clients every day about causes right there, but I talk with my clients every day about how there are physical and nonphysical root causes. We stuff that energy down just like a toxin or body stuff that in and storing it up, and it's it's a toxin.
Gina Worful
How do you help them with that? Do you help them with that aspect of it?
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
I do.
Gina Worful
What does that look like?
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
So that's one of the many things I do differently. And it goes before I have to share both of you, because I feel like it'll resonate with our audience. I feel like what we're the three of us are trying to talk with you all about is how to create a life that you do not have to heal yourself from.
Juanique Roney
Yes.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
Isn't that like what we're really trying to support everyone I'm doing.
Juanique Roney
Right.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
But what I do is this is really where my medical intuitive skills come in. So I guide people through a lot of my clients. I'll tell you, ladies, every single person I've ever worked with, even though they didn't necessarily believe it at first at an energetic issue that needed to be resolved. And depending on what that issue is and what I detect, I may handle that in a very couple of different ways. But I'm very much somebody that doesn't believe in one size fits all, anything related to health. So it's very individualized. But it may be something like guiding somebody through an energetic feeling to help them release the energy out of their field that they've been carrying. That's so toxic. Sometimes that means actually involving them personally. Sometimes I will give very specific types of energetic healing exercises for my clients to implement regularly, because some people are very much empathetic and their energy needs to be protected in a different way because they're much more emotionally sensitive. And I think we all just can't tell you how many clients I've worked with that have not even realized they were in power. And when I kind of put that mirror up for them and said, this is why they'd say, oh, my gosh, no wonder I feel like a sponge everywhere I go, oh, my gosh no wonder everyone I hang out with I feel drained when I come home and helping people even just start to recognize those patterns inside themselves. And sometimes it's a matter of stress management because especially us women, we have such a tendency to put our health here and everything else gets piled on top of that list, you know?
Juanique Roney
Exactly. We did an interview with Dr Janine Krauss a couple months ago, I think, and how she was mentioning how the stress interrupts vagal nerve stimulation. And that is like the perfect breeding ground for like viral like ..
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
Everything.
Juanique Roney
Everything.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
I love that interview that you did with her.
Juanique Roney
Oh, yes. Did you listen to it?
Gina Worful
You hit you hit the nail right on the head with what you just said.
Juanique Roney
And it starts with stress. Right. And then what do we blame? We blame the Epstein Barr. We blame the infection. We blame this. We blame that. And it's like, look upstream, look upstream, look upstream. Yes. Let's deal with the infection. Let's deal with that. Let's take care of the chemical components. Let's take care of the energetic emotional components to and let's hit it from both sides.
Gina Worful
I think when people get around the time that they get diagnosed with an autoimmune disease or viral infection or something, a lot of time they can point back to, oh, yeah, there was a stressful event in my life.
Juanique Roney
Yep. I want to share. Oh my gosh. I know I keep going back to the workshop and we're going to be doing more.
Gina Worful
It's amazing.
Juanique Roney
It lights my fire so much, and I know Jean and I, we're going to be doing another one like a conquering cravings and we're going to be doing more workshops to help people. You know, we want to teach people how to be their own research product and their own healers. But this workshop I had been working with this young girl and she had epstein bar through the wazoo. No one could figure her out. It's just just like a problem after problem. Nothing was working. Nothing, nothing. And I just I told her, I'm like, I am going to gift you this class, because I knew I knew there was something there is. I gifted her the class and her shifts in the class were so touching and like I could just get goosebumps every time you think about her because my love, I could see it, you know, and as someone who's who you're hiring me to be a wellness coach and you want to talk food and you want to talk supplements. But I can see that there's an energetic blockage here. But I can't talk to you about it because you don't have the language. So she goes and she does workshop. She picks up the language, she gets it. And now we can talk whole scope of healing, not just food, not just supplements, not just protocol. We're talking about what is your self care look like? What are your boundaries with toxic people look like? How are your messages that you're telling yourself like, are they lifting you up, are they breaking you down? And so many people were like, oh my gosh, this week was so hard because I was like breaking down some old programs and some people were like, I was so energized this week because I was able to completely rewrite my old systems and people shift. This is where the shifting happens and they're astronomical shifts. They're not like these little minute shifts, like tectonic plates. That are just inching like half an inch every year.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
I feel like don't you feel too like that's when Quantum Healing can really happen.
Juanique Roney
Yes.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
And that's when we can really take these quantum leaps and have them take those, I think, journeys that so many of us have in mind when we come to work with people like us and people like you said, people I often see in consultation and people are like, OK, tell me what you know, what nutrition. I want to talk about nutrition. Tell me what I need to do. Tell me what I need to eat.
Juanique Roney
Right.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
Just like you, I think I pick up on a whole lot of other stuff that if we do not address, like you said, you'll get stuck in that vicious cycle and inevitably you can apply all those surface solutions, but you don't address that inner stuff. The super solutions can only take you so far for so long.
Juanique Roney
Exactly and I love that you said they can only take you so far for so long because you will get benefit. You'll get some benefit and then you plateau. And a lot of people, they start to feel good for a few months and they plateau and then they're like, OK, so what's the next thing? What's the next thing? And it's like, OK, well, let's go back and rewrite a subconscious program that isn't serving you and then you'll see the next leap.
Gina Worful
So, Dr. Elizabeth, in your practice, in your experience, do you see a big difference when people do the work? Do you see a difference in how fast their physical healing happens when they're doing the spiritual work or the emotional work?
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
I'm so glad you asked this question. One hundred percent yes. And I will tell you ladies this. You know, it's funny because when I think about when I started my practice, I was much more nurturing and I didn't apply as much, you know, tough love from the coaching perspective, but that part of me really shifted and grew when I became a certified transformational life coach because I really realized that I'm not going to hold the mirror up for people who is. And when I want somebody to do that for me, it was someone who was holding a space of love for me, just like I hold for them. And so I got into the habit right up from right off the bat of making it clear to my clients that come and work with me that I can take you so far. But you take yourself there. I just guide you. I'm not going to heal you. You are going to heal yourself. You're going to put the work in and understand that putting the work in isn't going to be easy and it's going to require that we work on you from the inside out.
Juanique Roney
Right.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
And if we do not or you are resistant or you don't want to implement, just please understand that you're only going to be able to get so far. I cannot get help you and guide you all the way to where you want to go if we don't address that stuff, and here's what I will tell you. What is this? The difference is literally night and day, literally night and day. I believe single solitary client I have worked with who has been willing to put in the work. And I'll tell you, I've watched ladies just come out. That was such fear at the beginning, but like all I want to do is guide them there with love. The ladies that put in that work, every single one of them right now is getting is catapulting their healing journeys. I mean, I'm talking a catalyst like I couldn't even come up with a chemical or molecule that could be a better catalyst for healing than this.
Juanique Roney
Yeah.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
And I will tell you, the few there are I can count on one hand of all the time I've been doing this, I've been I can count on one hand a few people who did not put in this work and, you know, whatever where every single one of them are today, exactly where they were when they started working with me, Dockley, where they were.
Juanique Roney
Right.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
They did what we all talked about for a while while they were with me, they cruised and ultimately because they didn't want to believe that they were the reason they were plateauing, they ultimately started to do that all over again. Every single one of them. I kid you, not every single one.
Juanique Roney
Right.
Gina Worful
Wow.
Juanique Roney
And I totally believe that because it's actually so beautiful to see how when people start doing the healing, how their old stories actually served them in a way and we actually have to have these identity crisis. This identity crisis in order to heal and are you ready for that? Are you ready? And what was really amazing and I know I keep bringing up the workshop because it just happened and it was that amazing. But like, people were having these AHA's around, like their relationships as they were shifting, they were seeing like, oh, my gosh, like, how do I shift this relationship? How do I put up these boundaries that have been there since I was born? You know, and the answer is teach them, you know what I mean? And boundaries can be loving, but yes, sometimes we're too scared to do the work and I don't want people to feel shame around that. Like what Gina says is be your own research project, like why are you resisting? How is your current circumstance, how is that serving you in some way? Because I've even been there right. Where I wanted to stay in the chaos because I didn't want to be accountable.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
It's easier.
Juanique Roney
If I failed. Right. Yeah, it's easier.
Gina Worful
And I love to have doctor. Elizabeth said that you can go and do that work, but you bring love with you in a place of love. And I think that was one of the most powerful things that my mentor, who is helping me through this had taught me. That is like if you go into your darkness or the places in you that are not so pretty that you've been avoiding. And if you go into it and you're beating yourself up with shame and guilt, that torture yourself but if you go into those places of your emotions that you've been avoiding, that you bring love and compassion and you can you can go into anything, you can say anything, anything.
Juanique Roney
I think one of the best lessons I love that because it just brought up, like we both know her Brit, Brit Lefko. We should get her on the podcast sometimes. I know. She's amazing.
Gina Worful
So amazing. She's an incredible.
Juanique Roney
But she taught me, like when I spoke about my old pattern, she's like, did you think that woman you were because she kept you alive. You are here today because of her.
Gina Worful
Yes.
Juanique Roney
So you have changed and you are a better version, a higher frequency person of yourself, but don't shame the old you. She kept you alive. She kept you out of here. She kept you breathing. She served you now thank her and let her go. And so, like all of these processes, they just need to be done in love, as you guys as you ladies are saying. And that's where our disconnect is. Because if there's anything our world is lacking, it's love, right?.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
I feel like as you're talking, I'm thinking to myself is what I think you're bringing up, is that loving ourselves is such a foreign feeling.
Juanique Roney
Yeah.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
That we come to it for the first time. It's like it feels uncomfortable.
Juanique Roney
Yes and what people often tell me, because if you guys go back to my I'm sorry, I feel like they keep hijacking this. Go back to my Instagram, saved stories I have saved highlight being unlove and how none of us have been taught unconditional love. We've actually been taught transactional love and we've been taught that young and we thought it was unconditional. And it's created these imbalances where we actually hemorrhage our energy because we were taught to love someone and then hope for it to be married back. We weren't taught self love. And so that's why we have these blocks. That's why we resist the healing, because the healing actually means you have to love yourself. So you have to learn how to love yourself. But we've been taught that self love is selfish and it's conceited and you're egotistical. And that couldn't be further from the truth, because if you feel your love cut, then you can graciously feel other people's love cup.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
Directly and serve from the overflow and instead of running on.
Juanique Roney
Yes, exactly. Oh my gosh. This has been so amazing. And I feel like we could talk about so many things. Gina, is there anything else that you want to bring up or Dr. Rogers, how about you?
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
Gina, do you have anything else you wanted to add?
Gina Worful
I don't think so. Go ahead, please if there's anything else.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
I just honestly, this conversation, what I want to say is thank you to you ladies, because it's been hard for even me as a professional to find people to have this type of conversation with. And knowing that you're out here having this voice in the world that's helping us talk about these things more. It's just so muted. It's it's so incredibly needed. And it helps, I think, make it work, all three of us, to just be stronger and more powerful and just happen more easily. I think I just want people to always know that you never have to be stuck. I believe I had to be stuck for so long and, you know, even bringing up you brought up relationships, and I thought, oh, isn't that another big one that I don't even think we realize and think about the support we have in our lives and how that impacts our health and ability to heal, because it does. Sometimes we don't realize until later on that, oh, my gosh, I've been doing this my whole life, and I appreciate that you brought up boundary drawing because makes me speaking of books that we think of makes me think of a book on tape I'm reading a little bit ago.
Juanique Roney
By Glenn and Doyle?
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
Yes. We get so strange. Like just like the book on James talks about she does highlight so well how I think we really tend to think we have to fit into certain molds or certain ways of being to be worthy of love, you know, worthy of things like that. And she just couldn't be further from the truth.
Juanique Roney
I love that you shared that. I want to share one last thing before we close up. Gina, you asked in the Gutsy health membership, the private group, if people made it to the hormone class, what was their biggest aha, or what have been some light bulb moments? And I want to share this because it all comes back to how we heal ourselves, because if you are listening, we're not just talking about only doing mindset's stuff. We're seeing do it in conjunction with everything else you're doing. Please prioritize it. Dr. Elizabeth, you still do blood work and you still do testing and you still do all of these other things, don't you?
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
Not often. I actually typically and it's funny, we talked about this earlier and you were saying, you know, we're all in the mindset that like, well, I just need another blood test. I just need this. And I actually now going to have it when people come to me and they say, well, don't you want me to get blood work for that? And I say, no.
Juanique Roney
Not yet. Right. Right. I love that. I love that. So what this one member said was I keep coming back. So this is her light bulb moment. She says, I keep coming back to mindset being necessary and the first thing in the order of healing, how our hormones first two receptors and controls for making hormones start in our brain. And as somebody that is struggling with hormones, seeing how many things can really affect it. And she goes on and on and on. But she says how everything keeps coming back to mindset. You know, like if we if we started in the right way and I don't want to minimize anyone's healing, but if we started with mindset, healing would be in flow. It would be I don't want to use the word effortless, but it would be so easy.
Gina Worful
Or it wouldn't be working against ourselves.
Juanique Roney
Exactly. We wouldn't be working against ourselves. We would be in rhythm with what?
Gina Worful
The river.
Juanique Roney
Exactly. Yes. Oh, my gosh. It's so beautiful. So everything and I love that as these members are learning all of this information, they are learning the manuals to their bodies and now they are starting to connect the dots and they're saying, oh, my gosh, mindset's so important. Oh my gosh, mindset's so important. They're not saying what's the next hormone protocol? What's the next that's what's the next that they're saying. OK, I'm realizing that because this is imbalanced in my body, there's something that I haven't looked upstream at yet. And what's at the tip top of the stream. That's mindset.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
If you don't mind, I'd love to share reflections I got from a client last week. This just emphasizes the importance of everything we're talking about. So I had a woman who she came to me around 60 years old. She'd been on antidepressant medication since she was postpartum. Her daughter is now, of course, much older and an adult. And she wanted to heal her lifetime of anxiety and depression and come off of her medications. And I felt confident that I could work with her to guide her there. But what I identified right from the beginning when we were working together was just a very big, energetic walk. And I thought, if we don't deal with this right away, then I can apply all the surface level things and we'll never get her there.
Juanique Roney
Yes.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
But we did just one little energetic feeling. I guided her through and I checked on her the next day and I just said "Hi" blank just checking and let me know how you're feeling today. And she wrote back and said, Oh, she said, I have literally been thinking about you all day and that I needed to write you and say, I have not felt this good for two days in a row since I can remember. I don't want it to go away. I feel unburdened by almost everything. How can it be? There are no words to thank you.
Juanique Roney
Amazing.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
At that point, ladies, I know we're not at that stage of our lives yet, but have it being at six years old and having believed for every day of your life up to this point that none of this could be possible, you had to live. I can't tell you how many times we first met. She said. I just if this is the way I have to live, you know, I can accept that, and I kept saying, but this isn't the way you have to live.
Juanique Roney
Right It's not.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
And she we even talked afterwards verbally. And she said I had to tell my sister the story because honestly, it's still hard to believe.
Juanique Roney
Wow. Amazing. Oh, my gosh.
Gina Worful
I just want people like the ladies that come to talk with all of us that come to our workshops that please know that this is what can be possible for any of us.
Juanique Roney
Yes. Yes. Like, it's our power and, you know, like take our power back. It's yours.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
And I reminded this client, I said, you did this. I does not heal anything, though. You did the work.
Juanique Roney
Exactly. I love that. Thank you so much for sharing that. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your expertize. It's so wonderful to see educated people talking about this. You started on one end of the spectrum. You're here and you're actually saying, I've been in both worlds. This world is so crucial. Let's stop not facing it.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
I'm not talking about it.
Juanique Roney
Yes not talking about it. Thank you, ladies.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
Thank you.
Juanique Roney
Thank you. Thank you. And how can people how do people find you?
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
That's a great question. So you can find me on Instagram at Healthy Transformations underscore Heart. I may very soon be changing that handle to Dr. Elizabeth Rogers. You can look out for that shift, but you can find my website. It's HealthyTransformationswithHeart.Com. I have a private Facebook group to called the Women's Wellness Collective and you had to my website or my Instagram bio even Facebook you can find links to a book one on one consultations with me. And I also have a great group online holistic healing course for people who feel like they're not ready for that stage of their journey yet. So thank you, ladies.
Juanique Roney
Thank you. And we'll put all that in the show notes. You guys, if you want more information and you want to learn more from Dr. Rogers. So thank you. Thank you, Dr. Rogers. We really appreciate your time.
Dr. Elizabeth Rogers
Thank you, ladies.
Juanique Roney
And if you guys want more information on how to master your subconscious, we've put together a video for you from one of our Zoom calls that Aubrey did where she is actually teaching everyone how to really use some hacks to really penetrate the subconscious and reprogram the old tapes that we were kind of brought up with really. So if you want to watch that video, go to Gutsy.ch/mastersubvideo and that will give you some really great detailed tools. Also, keep your eyes and ears open for the next master your subconscious workshop that will be coming up in the next few months. So many of you expressed interest in the next one. And so we will be doing one really soon. Also, Gina is going to be doing a conquering cravings workshop, too, which is so, so, so related to what we're talking about today. Gina, do you want to tell people more about that?
Gina Worful
Yeah. So this is going to help you take that next step from healing from the inside out around food. So where a lot of people get hung up is that they're trying to do this healing, but they're constantly just falling for these cravings and sabotaging and there's this lack of control. So we're going to dove into why do we get cravings and how to take back control over your body so you can get that healing from the inside out.
Juanique Roney
I love that. Thank you so much. So, you guys, hopefully you feel like you have some tools right now that you can go on explore, go watch that video, utilize those tools. But I can't like doing implementing these tools in a group setting is so powerful and so empowering. And so if you are interested in these workshops that Gina and I are going to be having in the next few months, make sure you're either on our e mailing list or you're checking Instagram and to sign up, and we will have EarlyBird sign up, too. So hopefully we'll see you guys soon. And thanks for listening today and we'll catch you next week. Take care, everyone.
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